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What can the West learn from the fall of Athens and ancient Greece? We're in a much worse place

than late-day Athens. I do think hubris needs to be a recurrent word. I've never known a more

selfish, myopic, frankly, Philistine and uneduced-educated class of politicians than we have now.

If a random citizen has one of these positions of power

and things go wrong in the year that they have power,

you could be executed.

The joke's right themselves.

They don't know.

Come on.

Dr David Butterfield, we have been waiting to have this conversation for literally months. Welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you so much for having me. It's a thrill to be here, chaps. Yeah, well, it's great to have you on. We met actually in Greece, where you were part of a Ralston College tour there for the students, and we were invited along. And you talk, you're a classicist,

that's your background. In fact, why don't you tell us your background? Because that will be,

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