Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Muckrake podcast, the Weekender edition for our patrons. Thank you for your support. You're the absolute best. I'm Jared Yates Sexton. I'm here with Nick Houseman. We've got to treat for the people, do we not, Nick?

Oh, yeah. Great conversation. Well, it's a great conversation, but it also, if you think about it a little hard, then it gets to a place where it doesn't feel so great.

It's a lot.

We have Kate Aronoff, who is the author of an absolute, stunningly good book, overheated how capitalism broke the planet and how we fight back.

For my money, it is the best book on climate change

and the climate catastrophe, an absolute expert on this topic.

And I just want to say for anybody who's listening

to the preview of this, you're going to want to hear this episode.

I think this is the definitive person

on understanding climate change, how things can actually get better, what we're actually

dealing with. I think this is an important conversation. Sure. Well, let's make sure we tell

where to go. Yeah. Go over to patreon.com slash muckrake podcast. Again, your support is what

keeps this show ad free and editorially independent. We appreciate your help. All the patrons who are supporting us,

you have been coming up huge lately, and we're just so grateful. And so now we're going to go over.

We're going to hang out with Kate Aronoff, and we'll be back in just a minute. Hey, everybody, we have

an incredibly special guest today. I've been waiting to have this conversation for a while,

and we're really, really lucky to have Kate Aronoff, who covers climate for the New Republic and is the author of a really incredible book titled Overheated How Capitalism Broke the Planet and How We Fight Back.

And very recently was named a reporting fellow for the Climate Social Science Network. Congratulations on that, Kate, and thanks for being on here.

Thank you so much. Yeah, excited to be here.

So I've been wanting to talk to you for a while about this. I think Overheated is one of the

best books out there about, I think, undoubtedly the most important issue that we are facing.

I think it takes a very large,

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