Oftentimes, this question of evil that I address in this book puts Christians on the defensive,

but find me a better explanation than what Christians have to offer.

A God who becomes a man and submits himself to death on a cross so that in dying, becoming a curse, we might be lifted

of the curse of death.

Today I'm speaking with Colin Hansen, who serves as vice president for content and editor-in-chief

for the Gospel Coalition.

He's also the executive director of the Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics, and his new book is,

Where is God in a World with So Much Evil from Crossway?

Colin, thanks so much for joining me again on the Crossway podcast.

Thanks, Matt.

So you open this new book, reflecting on perhaps the greatest horror of the 20th century, the Holocaust. And you ask the question along

with Ellie Wiesel, where was God in the midst of this? As I was thinking about that, you know,

the Holocaust is often used as this example of extreme evil. But for our generation today,

the young people living today, there's probably a more recent situation that looms large in our mind that has striking parallels to the Holocaust. That would have to be October 7th when Hamas attacked Israel and really just unleashed this terror on the people of Israel. And then that has beget even more violence

and suffering in that part of the world. And then not to mention the war in Ukraine, which has

been going on for a while now, that just, again, maybe it's kind of faded from the forefront of

our minds, but that too is an example of just extreme suffering and evil that our world has within it.

Have you wrestled with the question of where is God in all of this over the last few months?

Yeah, I think it's not just Matt the last few months, though. I'm a big student of history,

and what you see with history is a lot of repetition.

And so it doesn't, what's happened in Ukraine or what's happened in Israel, does not really

strike me as something that's new. It strikes me as something that's extremely familiar throughout

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