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What's Up Docs?

How can we sustain a healthy diet?

What's Up Docs?

BBC

Health & Fitness, Nature, Science

4.4659 Ratings

🗓️ 27 January 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to What’s Up Docs?, the podcast where doctors and identical twins Chris and Xand van Tulleken cut through the confusion around every aspect of our health and wellbeing.

In this episode, Chris and Xand turn their attention to food. It’s January, and many of us have resolved to “eat better” but why does it so often feel like an uphill battle? Why do we crave certain foods and not others? And what does a genuinely healthy relationship with food look like?

They explore the science behind how our brains and bodies respond to food, and why willpower alone is rarely enough when it comes to eating well. From ultra-processed foods that trigger addictive-like responses to the influence of marketing, availability and convenience, they unpack why eating well is about much more than individual choice, and what actually helps us eat well in the long term.

Joining them is Ashley Gearhardt PhD, Professor of Psychology at the University of Michigan, whose research focuses on how certain foods can trigger addictive processes and how food advertising activates reward systems in the brain. She also developed the Yale Food Addiction Scale, a widely used tool to assess signs of addictive-like eating behaviour.

Presenters: Drs Chris and Xand van Tulleken Guest: Professor Ashley Gearhardt Researcher: Samara Linton Producer: Maia Miller-Lewis Social Media Producer: Leon Gower Executive Producer: Rami Tzabar Editor: Jo Rowntree Tech Lead: Reuben Huxtable Digital Lead: Richard Berry Composer: Phoebe McFarlane Sound Design: Melvin Rickarby

At the BBC: Assistant Commissioner: Greg Smith Commissioning Editor: Rhian Roberts

A Loftus Media production for BBC Radio 4

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio Podcasts.

0:05.7

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0:12.7

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0:18.2

The Pop Top Ten podcast with Scott Mills and Rylan, and comedy specials

0:22.2

from the likes of Harriet Kemsley, Susie Ruffel and Rommashranganathan.

0:25.9

However, and maybe I'm biased, it's really all about the traitors uncoaked.

0:30.3

So for a whole bunch of exclusive scoops and podcasts, listen only on BBC Sounds.

0:36.5

Hello, welcome to Radio 4's Health and Wellbeing podcast.

0:39.8

I'm Dr. Chris.

0:40.6

I'm Dr. Zand, and over the past episodes of WhatsApp Docs,

0:43.9

we've been talking about topics that we often make New Year's resolutions about.

0:47.6

That's right, Sandy.

0:48.2

To wrap things up for today for our final January episode,

0:50.6

we're diving into the tricky world of food.

0:53.5

Why so many of us struggle with eating a healthy diet?

1:01.6

But before we get into our main topic for today, Zandi, I want to take a moment to check

1:06.1

in with you.

1:07.8

What have you got for me?

1:08.8

So Chris, you'll remember, I mean, a few weeks ago, we hosted Christmas, as you know, so it was our family Christmas at our house, mum and dad, you, our younger brother Jay, all the nieces and nephews, it was a big old deal. We did a turkey and we did a ham, and I was left with the turkey carcass, and the ham bone. I've been wanting to do batch cooking.

1:29.1

So I got the carcasses and the bones out of the freezer

1:31.3

and I made a massive pig bone stock, I guess a pork stock.

1:35.5

And we had ordered months ago this massive bag of split peas.

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