Hey, everybody, it's Joe Trippy, and welcome back to That Trippy show with my co-host, Alex Sashlow.

Today, we're continuing with our series, how do we get here, where we go from here, and in a really unique way.

In my book, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.

And Alex points out that this book can legally drink now.

That's how long ago I published it.

I wrote about how one of the scariest things about technology and the technology revolution

was that the tech can be used effectively and

powerfully, whether it's being used by good or folks who have evil intent or unintended

consequences that end up being evil. For example, the same social platform you used to keep

up with your friends or what's happening in the world has an algorithm that

has greatly contributed to both radicalizing and dividing our society. And tech has certainly

had a corrosive effect on our democracies. How did we get here? Where do we go next? And how

do we might be able to come back from the brink? We welcome a special guest, author of The TechCoo, which I urge you to read, it's a must read,

How to Save Democracy from Silicon Valley, Marita Shaki.

Marisha is the international policy director at Stanford University Cyber Policy Center,

former member of the European Parliament, and a columnist for the Financial Times.

I can't think of a better voice on this issue and her book, as I said, is a must read.

Marisha, welcome.

Thank you so much for having me.

Alex, where do you want to get started?

Man, there is so much here.

But I think we should really just start with the title.

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