Welcome to Getting Curious, I'm Jonathan Van Ness, and every week I sit down for a 40-minute conversation

with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious.

On today's episode, I'm joined by former senior A to Elizabeth Warren,

and founder of the Impact Entertainment Company, Gividium, Ben O'Keefe, where I ask him,

how can progressive stick to 2020 election landing?

Welcome to Getting Curious, this is Jonathan Van Ness, and we're really excited for,

I mean, I'm always excited for our guests, but I'm really excited for this week's guest,

because I've met you in real life, I've had the opportunity to work with you,

so with no further ado is Ms. Kathy Dewey would say, Ben O'Keefe is our guest this week.

He is a former senior A to Elizabeth Warren's presidential campaign, and he's the founder of Gividium.

Welcome Ben. Thank you, thanks for having me.

So, I mean, our question for today is kind of multifaceted. We're kind of serving in

an onion episode, because now that I have, I have you here, I want to ask a lot of things in your,

an incredibly brilliant strategist and thought leader and advisor to literally Elizabeth Warren,

who he had the opportunity to get to interview earlier and getting curious, which is like one of

the defining moments of my career, but I digress. So, but really, I think one thing about you that I

really look up to and love is your activism in the political space, and knowing how to convert

thoughts and plans into a career and into action on social media, but also in real life.

And I think so many people are like screaming into the void, and so what I really want to ask you

is how can people become more involved in political discourse and bringing change through

politics? So, that's really what I want to ask you, because I think you're extremely effective in

doing that. Yeah, so hi. And welcome. Thanks. Yeah, I think that's such a great question to frame

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