Welcome to Tell Me About Your Pain.

My name is Alan Gordon.

I'm the director of the Pain Psychology Center.

My co-host Alon is out of town this month, so we're going to be doing something a little different this episode.

Today I'm going to be talking to Dr. Howard Schubiner.

Dr. Schubiner is one of the pioneers of mind-body medicine, and he's

created a specific protocol to help patients figure out whether their pain is caused by their

brains or whether it's due to a structural problem in their bodies. And figuring out the

cause of your pain can be really important.

Fear is the fuel for the pain.

We've talked about that in past episodes.

And it can be a lot harder to overcome the fear of the pain

if you think there's something wrong with your body.

In fact, if you listen to our last episode,

as soon as Amber, our caller, was able to wrap

her mind around the fact that her brain was causing her pain, the pain went away.

So today I'm going to pick Howard's brain and see if he could help give you all some additional

tools to help figure out the cause of your own pain.

Before we dive in, I wanted to tell you all about a free event that our partners at Curable are doing on January 6th. It's an event to learn all about curable groups.

Curable Groups is a 12-week, expertly designed healing boot camp. You'll get access to weekly

video workshops with a supportive group of peers and guidance from some of the top chronic pain

physicians, like Howard Schubiner. In fact, I'm going to ask Howard a little bit about the groups

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