I'm Barry Weiss and this is honestly and today I'm speaking with the entrepreneur and venture capitalist David Sachs

He was one of the members of what's now known as the PayPal

Musk, Max Levchin. He's also been an early investor in some companies you may have

heard about. AirB&B, Facebook, Lift, Postmates, Reddit,

SpaceX, Twitter, Uber, and full disclosure,

he's also graciously investing in our little

startup here at Honestly and Common Sense.

David is now a general partner at Kraft Ventures and perhaps most importantly he's one of the

hosts of a podcast called All In.

David, thanks so much for being here today.

It's great to be with you. So David, you are massively invested in the world of tech.

That's your world.

And I would even argue that you kind of helped lay the foundations of the world that we now live in.

But you're also something of a whistleblower,

or at the very least a critic of that world.

And to my mind, you've been making the case better than almost anyone else that despite the fact that we live in a liberal democracy with a bill of rights and a constitution and a First Amendment, whether most Americans are aware of it or not, we also are living

inside a soft version of a social credit system, something that we think of as being in China. So for those people who are

listening and hear that and think, wait what? I want you to start by making that case.

Right, well, let's just start by defining what a social credit system is. A social credit system is a system that pretends to give you civil liberties and freedom, freedom of speech, freedom to express your opinion.

It doesn't overtly send you to the gulag or something like that for expressing dissent,

but rather conditions the benefits of society, economic benefits,

the ability to participate to spend your money.

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