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Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

How Big Tech Destroys Learning

Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Josh Szeps

Society & Culture, Education, Comedy Interviews, Comedy, Self-improvement

4.5905 Ratings

🗓️ 26 February 2026

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

How do you learn things? Does it come easily or is it hard? Are you drawn to e-readers, or books? Typing, or handwriting? Duolingo, or moving to a Tuscan villa for six months to drink wine and debate epicureanism? We’re all alert to the problem of smartphones, screentime, kids and social media. But what if the problem is bigger? What if our brains and bodies are fundamentally hardwired to learn in ways that technology cannot reproduce? Today’s uncomfortable question is whether educational technology - Chromebooks and tablets and whizz-bang learning apps - are ruining education for students and grown-ups alike. That’s what the data says, according to the neuroscientist and educator Jared Cooney Horvath. He does education-related brain and behavioural research as the director of the Science of Learning Group and of NeuroEducation. He’s lectured and researched at Harvard University and been published in the New Yorker, the Economist, the Atlantic, the New York Times, Scientific American and New Scientist. Jared’s new book is “The Digital Delusion: How Classroom Technology Harms Our Kids’ Learning -- And How To Help Them Thrive Again”. He joins Josh to wrestle with the problems of multitasking, rote learning, memorising, the transferability of skills, the fragility of Gen Z, and how you can learn better.

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0:00.0

Goody, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. It's a dangerous question for

0:09.4

anyone who is trying to teach themselves a new skill or help their kids to learn. How exactly

0:15.1

are humans hardwired to learn best? How do you feel most naturally drawn to learning? Does it come easily or is it hard? Are you drawn to

0:23.8

e-readers or to physical books? Are you someone who prefers typing or handwriting? Do you like

0:30.7

duolingo or do you like moving to a Tuscan villa and drinking wine and arguing about

0:36.3

Epicureanism? Look, to each their own,

0:38.7

I'm not here to judge. I just feel like we're all kind of aware of the problem of smartphones

0:44.3

and social media and kids and screen time. But the problem may be deeper, according to today's

0:51.7

guest. We may actually be hardwired in our brains and even in our bodies

0:56.2

to learn in tactile lo-fi, even Luddite ways.

1:01.6

We're hardwired to learn in ways that technology just can't reproduce.

1:06.4

So educational technology has been rolled out in schools all over the world at a massive pace.

1:15.2

Tablets and crime books are everywhere, and they're supposed to tailor education specifically

1:19.2

to the child.

1:20.6

Was the entire thing a giant scam, and is it actually causing schools to fail?

1:26.4

Today's guest is Jared Cooney-Horvath.

1:29.0

He does education-related brain and behavioral research.

1:33.3

He's a neuroscientist, and he's the director of the science of learning group and of neuroeducation,

1:38.6

where he tries to take his research and apply it to the education space.

1:42.1

He's lectured and researched at Harvard University.

1:44.3

He's been published in The New Yorker and The the economist and the Atlantic and the New York Times and

1:48.0

Scientific American and a new scientist. I could go on and on and on. He's got a new book. It's called

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