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This is the United States of anxiety. I'm Kai right. And I am here with my WNYC colleague,

Tracy Hunt. Hey, Tracy. Hi, Kai. So we've been talking about gun violence this week. And

when you heard about this episode, you said there was someone you felt like our listeners

really needed to meet. Yeah. So like, just to set this up a little bit, you know, for me,

the last few years have felt relentless. I'm sure that's been the same for you, Kai. There's been

all this gun violence. There's been COVID, the murder of George Floyd. I keep thinking about how

even though many of us have been lucky to not have experienced these things firsthand,

and the sheer volume and frequency of these tragedies must be having some effect on our bodies

and our minds. And I kept coming back to this idea of grief and how I wasn't sure

we as a country were grieving properly. And, you know, I didn't really know what my question was,

my big question. But I knew a good person to talk about it with was Nalba Marcus Green.

And now who is that? So Nalba is a mom and she's a family and marriage therapist.

And about 10 years ago, something happened that made her an unwilling expert in grief. Her daughter,

Anna Grace, was killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School. And I've been following Nalba on Twitter

for a few years. And this might sound weird, but I really grew to admire the way she was grieving

out loud. What does that even mean? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's easier to let you hear how she

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