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🗓️ 12 August 2025
⏱️ 30 minutes
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This week, I welcome back Rob Henderson, the social psychologist, author, and commentator who coined the concept of luxury beliefs: ideas that confer status on the upper class while inflicting real costs on lower-income communities. Rob was last here in early 2024 discussing his memoir, Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social Class, which chronicles his journey through California’s foster system to the Air Force, and onward to Yale and Cambridge. In this conversation, we explore what he’s been thinking about since the book’s release—particularly the so-called “mating crisis,” why many young people delay or avoid partnerships and family, and what that means for the future. We also dissect the emergence of Zohran Mamdani, the New York City mayoral hopeful who, according to Rob (and I would concur), embodies luxury beliefs in action. Finally, Rob answers questions from Substack readers.
Rob will be a speaker at our Unspeakeasy Small Gathering for Big Ideas weekend, October 11-12 in New York City. Programming and ticketing info here.
GUEST BIO
Rob Henderson is the author of Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social Class. He grew up in foster homes in Los Angeles and in the rural town of Red Bluff, California. After enlisting in the U.S. Air Force at the age of seventeen, he subsequently attended Yale on the GI Bill and was then awarded the Gates Cambridge Scholarship to study at the University of Cambridge, where he obtained a PhD in psychology in 2022. He is currently a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and his Substack newsletter is sent each week to more than 70 thousand subscribers.
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0:00.0 | If the birth rate stays the same in South Korea, for every hundred people that exist now, there will only be 12 grandchildren. |
0:09.0 | And so very quickly, a, what, a country can die off. So, yeah, it's something to be thinking about. |
0:17.0 | But then, on the other hand, it's like, what can you actually do? |
0:30.9 | Welcome to the unspeakable podcast. I'm your host, Megan Down. Before we get to my interview with Rob Henderson, a couple of announcements. The first is a reminder that on September 3rd in New York |
0:37.4 | City, I will be in conversation with novelist and columnist Linald Shriver, who was just a guest on the podcast a few weeks ago. |
0:44.9 | We will be talking about my new book, The Catastrophe Hour. I'm holding it up here if you're watching on video. |
0:51.7 | And also Lionel's books and columns in The Spectator and all of her ideas. |
0:56.8 | This is happening at the Village Underground Comedy Club at 6 p.m. |
1:02.2 | The link to buy tickets is in the show notes. |
1:04.7 | And you can also go to megandownm.com slash events. |
1:09.4 | What else do you need to know? |
1:10.8 | The doors open at 515. We'll be selling books there. |
1:14.8 | The show starts at six. We'll be out of there by 7.30 or so because the comedy is starting at |
1:19.6 | eight. It's going to be a great New York night. If you purchase your ticket soon, you will get a |
1:25.1 | discount by using promo code Catastrophe 18 at checkout. |
1:29.9 | I would love to see you there if you're in New York. |
1:33.5 | The second thing you may remember me talking about a lot in New York is the big unspeakeasy |
1:40.5 | co-ed weekend, October 11th and 12th. This is our small gathering for big ideas |
1:46.7 | featuring numerous speakers, Rob Henderson, among them. We'll also have John McWhorter, |
1:53.1 | Mike Peska of the Gist, Andrew Hartz of the Open Therapy Institute, who will be a guest in a couple |
1:59.1 | of weeks. Alana Newhouse from Tablet, Carol Hoeven, who was a guest a few weeks ago, all your favorite |
2:06.1 | people in one place. |
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