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I've lost two brothers over this.

We can't even talk normal politics.

Not that we ever did.

We never talked politics 10 years ago. But now we sit down and

we're drawing lines in the sand. And it's unfortunate. And it interferes with personal relationships.

Yeah. One lives in Ohio, one lives in Wisconsin, and we literally cannot get together anymore.

They didn't come to the family reunion because we just cannot get together and have a normal, just a normal family reunion.

So sad.

It's very sad because that's the only family members he has now.

There's been a lot of excitement in the hall of the Democratic National Convention over the last couple of days.

But those voices, people that we interviewed in a small town in Indiana on Wednesday afternoon,

remind us that for a lot of America right now, politics isn't really about excitement or about razzle-dazzle

or even about much hope.

Politics is actually a source of despair of people losing family and friends

over divisions which run deep.

But in the hall last night, a very different vision of family.

Hope, Gus and Gwen,

you are my entire world,

and I love you.

That was Tim Wool's,

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