How AI startups can navigate the legal landscape with Adam Shevell | Wilson Sonsini Startup Legal Basics

This Week in Startups

Jason Calacanis

Technology

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🗓️ 3 August 2023

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Today’s show:

Wilson Sonsini partner Adam Shevell joins Jason to discuss gaining access to datasets (1:10), fair use in copyright cases (6:29), and more!

Time stamps: (00:00) Wilson Sonsini partner Adam Shevell joins Jason (1:10) Gaining access to datasets, avoiding copyright infringement, and why IP is protected (6:29) The concept of fair use and when it applies (11:26) What new founders should pay attention to (14:59) The Github case (17:42) Proper strategy for getting permission (22:56) How startups get crushed with legal bills (23:32) The Andy Warhol supreme court case * Check out Wilson Sonsini: ⁠https://www.wsgr.com *

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0:00.0	Hey, everybody. Welcome back to one of my favorite series to do here at this
0:04.3	weekend startups. We call it our startup legal basic series. We do it with what's
0:09.3	considered the top firm, one of the top firms in technology and startups in
0:14.8	capital allocation. Wilson, Sincene. Now, Wilson, Sincene's got a lot of talents.
0:18.9	I got a deep bench. I work with them. They're my attorneys. And we had a very
0:24.8	niche discussion. We wanted to have for this year's startup basics around
0:29.9	AI. And so when I was talking to Becky DeGraw, who usually does this series
0:34.4	with me, and you could see the archive at this weekend startups.com slash
0:37.6	basics. I should say, you know, I got an expert for this topic. Like can I bring
0:41.5	in, go deep on the bench. And Adam Chavelle is a partner at Wilson, Sincene. He
0:46.6	works on IP. What's IP? That's intellectual property. And AI is coming up big
0:51.8	time. You've heard me talk about this both on the all-in podcast and this we can
0:54.7	start ups of, hey, what should be framework B? If I'm training an AI model on
1:01.7	somebody else's data set, this is an emerging topic. Welcome to the program. Adam
1:06.9	Chavelle. Thanks for having me. It's really great to be here. All right. So I got a
1:12.3	lot of startups. They're looking at data and they're saying, I got a great idea.
1:19.1	Look, there's all this Disney IP in the world. Can I take all the Marvel
1:24.8	scripts and comic books I find and then make a new character out of them? Hey, I
1:30.7	would like to do something in recipes. Can I go to Condi Nass website or some
1:36.6	recipe database or some famous chef, Mark Straussman's incredible recipes from
1:42.1	Mark's off Madsen in New York? Can I go take his lasagna and use it to iterate
1:48.8	on lasagna recipes? What's the answer here? I know it's a moving target.
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