AI isn’t abstract anymore. It’s showing up in the deepest parts of our lives People are using it at the exact moments they used to reach for a journal, a friend, or a distraction. That’s the territory we step into in this episode. I invited Dr. Laurence Hillman and Dr. Vanja Bokun Popović to join this conversation because both of them watch how inner life actually works through years of sitting with clients, students, and their own personal experiments with these tools.

The conversation moves from very concrete moments (panic rising during an AI exchange and a client swept into a fantasy that felt all too real) into the deeper and murkier psychological forces at play underneath it all. Vanja draws on trauma work and her experience with people whose attention tilts toward intensity. Laurence looks at patterns that show up when someone projects old material onto new technology. Neither of them treat AI as a gadget, but instead track what it stirs up in the psyche.

A steady theme is the question of personal readiness. Some people approach these systems with curiosity. Others bring hunger, fear, or a kind of imaginative overflow that can take on a life of its own. We talk through those differences without panic or dismissal. We also spend time on the way current mental-health protocols can misread metaphor, inner descent, or even spiritual language, which creates a strange tension for anyone doing genuine inner work while using these tools.

The episode explores one overarching line of inquiry. How do we stay connected to ourselves while using something this powerful? This whole exchange stays close to the body, the emotional realities of everyday life, and the existential questions people are facing as AI becomes part of their inner world.

Connect with Vanja on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/vanja_bokun_popovic_phd/?hl=en

Connect with Laurence via his website at: https://laurencehillman.com/

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