This is Brian Lair's Daily Politics podcast from WNYC Studios.

It's Monday, March 15th.

I'm Bridget Bergen, politics reporter for WNYC and Gothamist filling in for Brian today.

And now we go to Brian's weekly series with the green space called Punishment and Profit. It's all about the business side of the

prison industry. The question guiding these segments is, who profits when people get put away?

Every Tuesday evening through May 4th, the green space in partnership with the advocacy group,

Worth Rises, is holding a virtual panel discussion about one aspect of the business side of the

prison industry. And Brian previews those weekly discussions here on the show. Last week,

Brian talked about companies who provide the physical stuff to prisons, like furniture and

restraint equipment. Today, we're going to talk about something less tangible, but equally as

essential to the lifeblood of mass incarceration. That's data and surveillance technology,

things like facial recognition, fingerprinting, and software that law enforcement uses to set bail or identify

supposed gang affiliations. This kind of technological surveillance is a billion-dollar industry,

and it's only growing. With me now are Bianca Tylek, executive director of the nonprofit

advocacy organization worth rises, and Albert Foxcon, the founder

and executive director of the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project at the Urban Justice Center,

a New York-based Civil Rights and Privacy Group. He's also a fellow at the Engelberg Center

for Innovation Law and Policy at NYU School of Law.

Bianca Albert, welcome back to WNYC.

Thank you so much for having.

Hi, how are you?

Very nice to be with you this morning.

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