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How AI Chatbots Can Reinforce Racial Bias In Medicine

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🗓️ 20 November 2023

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

Researchers examined four popular chatbots and found they perpetuated debunked, harmful ideas from race-based medicine.

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0:00.0

Within the last year there have been huge developments in the use of AI in

0:06.6

medicine but doctors warned that we have to be careful. So it's not like a

0:11.6

software system you know we're talking about the care of other people and so we can't move fast and break things. We have to make sure that things don't come out broken.

0:22.0

It's Monday, November 20th, but you know, it's also Science Friday.

0:26.1

I'm Scifry producer Rasha Arredi. Over the last year we've heard a lot about the

0:32.1

potential of AI in medicine, how it's being used to

0:35.1

help doctors read scans, develop new, personalized drugs, and even help answer your own

0:40.7

questions.

0:41.7

But as exciting as that might sound,

0:43.6

one concern is that racism can make its way

0:46.3

into these models and end up possibly harming patients.

0:49.9

Here's guest host Flora Lichtman. Today we're talking to two scientists who wondered whether these models were perpetuating harmful,

0:57.8

debunked, racist ideas in medicine, which of course could affect the care that patients receive.

1:04.0

So they put four AI-powered chat bots like Chat Shepty

1:08.0

and Google's Bard to the test to see how they answered

1:12.0

some questions about race in medicine.

1:14.8

Joining me now are two authors on the study. Dr. Jenna Lester dermatologist at

1:19.2

UC San Francisco and director of the Skin of Color program joining me now from San Francisco and

1:25.2

Dr Roxanna Donus Jew, assistant professor of biomedical data science and a dermatologist

1:30.7

at Stanford School of Medicine in California.

1:33.6

Welcome to you both to Science Friday.

1:36.3

Thank you so much for having us.

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