James Wan produced the hit horror film, Megan. He made the saw movies, he made the conjuring,

and he can see horror everywhere.

At night time, if I hear something or I go somewhere and I think that they may be someone

out there, I actually go, hello, is someone there? I actually found myself to have done

that.

James Wan, on why we always want to be scared. This week on Into It, Vultures Pop Culture

podcast.

2020 was a big year for police reform. Maybe the biggest year ever. Protests across

the country led to protests across the planet. Activists, athletes, celebrities, even

the former president, among the biggest known boosters of police, had to acknowledge

that things weren't up to snuff. Now, what all that extra attention on policing accomplished

varies. There was some defunding, there was some rethinking, but it's most definitely

a work in progress. And we've had at least two recent reminders of the country's open wound,

both out of New York, a grand jury declined to pursue charges against two police officers

who were filmed shoving a 75 year old protester to the ground in Buffalo during last year's

protests. And another grand jury declined to bring charges against any of the officers

involved in the death of Daniel Prude. Prude died after police officers placed a mesh hood

over his head and handcuffed him while he was having a psychotic episode on the street

outside his brother's house in Rochester last March. Both incidents scream, there must

be another way, another way to respond to people having psychotic episodes, another way

to deal with a 75 year old man who's peacefully protesting. And in Eugene, Oregon, they found

another way, they actually found another way like 30 something years ago. And the police

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