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My guest today, Bridgettevis, grew up in Detroit in the 60s and 70s, a time where the

town was largely defined by the automotive industry, by Motown, amazing music and also

a lot of political and racial change. And she grew up in a neighborhood where her mom

pretty much ran the household and was a huge figure in the community because she ran

a business that was not entirely legal, locally known as running numbers. She was the numbers

person. Also the local sort of manager of the lottery. That was a family secret for

a really long time and it also served to keep the family being able to actually sustain

itself and be okay and let her mom sort of take care of helping Bridgette go out into

the world and do amazing things. And then once you wanted to take a really big risk and

try and sort of make her mark in the world of writing and then teaching in New York,

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