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How A Possible NATO Expansion Shows Russia's Plans are Backfiring

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Summary

Russian President Vladimir Putin has used possible NATO expansion to justify invading Ukraine. Now, that invasion might expand the alliance. Finland and Sweden, both formerly neutral Russian neighbors, are applying for membership.

NPR's Steve Inskeep speaks with Finland's ambassador to the U.S., Mikko Hautala, about the stakes of his country's bid to join.

NPR's Emily Feng also talks to historian Mary Elise Sarotte about how we reached this impasse between NATO and Russia.

You can also hear β€” and see β€” more on how war games and Russia's invasion of Ukraine are impacting life in Norway from NPR's Quil Lawrence here.

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0:00.0

You would probably never describe Norway and Russia as being best buds geopolitically,

0:07.6

but until recently they have had an understanding.

0:11.0

We have been at peace with Russia for a thousand years.

0:13.5

That is Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Garstra, his country shares 122 miles of border with

0:19.3

Russia.

0:20.3

We live next to the world's most important nuclear weapons arsenal, which has called for

0:25.2

what I call high-north low tensions.

0:28.1

Russia and Norway have a complicated history.

0:31.7

On the one hand, there's that arsenal, he mentioned.

0:34.7

On the other, there's a monument in the Norwegian border town of Hirkenis, dedicated to

0:39.6

Soviet soldiers who liberated the area from the Nazis.

0:44.2

In recent years, the two countries have cooperated on nuclear waste disposal, managing shared

0:49.2

cod fisheries, and important climate research.

0:52.4

But that was before Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine in February.

0:57.3

Right now we have a Russia that is engaging in broad land, air, missile war, attacking

1:06.5

a neighbor influences everything.

1:09.4

Norway needs an alliance, allies training, relevant defence to be safe, and that's what

1:16.4

we practice here.

1:17.9

The practice the Prime Minister is talking about is a massive NATO war game earlier this

1:22.9

year called Cold Response.

1:25.8

The troops from 27 countries conducted drills on helicopter landings, on aircraft carriers,

1:31.0

submarine defence, and amphibious D-Day-style troop landings.

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