How A.I. Lost (and Won) the Big Beautiful Debate
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🗓️ 6 July 2025
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Summary
As the One Big Beautiful Bill bounced around Congress, one provision—the 10-year moratorium on states making laws to regulate artificial intelligence—fell out. But AI-fans don’t need to worry, there’s still plenty of industry support in the bill.
Guest: Will Oremus, technology news analysis writer for the Washington Post.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm not always a great sleeper. |
| 0:06.1 | And on Monday night, I woke up and went to get myself a glass of water. |
| 0:11.5 | Technically, it was early Tuesday morning, and I peeked at my phone to read the news. |
| 0:17.1 | I know you shouldn't do that, sleep hygiene, etc. But I did. |
| 0:21.5 | The Senate was in the middle of a voterrama on President Trump's domestic policy bill. |
| 0:26.9 | I wanted to see what was going on. |
| 0:29.1 | And when I looked, I saw that the big piece of AI policy, |
| 0:33.5 | an amendment to block states from making AI laws was gone. |
| 0:38.1 | They took it out of the bill. |
| 0:40.0 | I was kind of stunned. |
| 0:42.2 | I was surprised. |
| 0:43.7 | That's Will Oremus from the Washington Post. |
| 0:46.4 | It makes me feel better that he also didn't see this coming. |
| 0:50.1 | It could have gone any of a number of ways, |
| 0:52.4 | but the way it did in fact go was one of the weirdest ones, I think. |
| 1:00.1 | This was a very contentious issue. It died in this piece of legislation. |
| 1:06.5 | But something tells me this is not the last we are going to hear about national AI policy in Congress. |
| 1:15.9 | AI policy is going to be a big issue for years to come. |
| 1:20.5 | And the idea of preempting state's ability to regulate AI is one that's going to continue to come up in these |
| 1:28.5 | discussions because the tech industry and a lot of leaders in Congress have a really strong |
| 1:35.2 | interest in having just one set of AI rules apply to everybody. But it's also going to continue |
| 1:42.0 | to be controversial because, as we all know, Congress struggles to do the thing that Congress is tasked with doing, which is past laws. |
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