Hi, everyone and welcome to Bad on Paper Podcast. I'm Olivia Mentor.

And I'm Becca Freeman.

And today we were talking all about how a book cover comes to be with a incredible book cover designer named Molly von Borstall, who is actually the person who did my Such About Influence Paperback redesign.

But she's also done other amazing

covers that I know you've seen. And we really get into the nitty gritty of all things covers.

So if you're into covers like Becca and I are, I think you'll enjoy this. Yeah, we've talked

about so many other aspects of how a book gets made, but we've neglected covers to date. So this

was a really fun, full circle moment.

Well, before we get to that, let's do some highs and lows. What is your high, Becca?

Oh my gosh. I am all highs right now. Well, except for one dumb thing. I just got back from San Diego

yesterday. I was on a little girl girls trip that was so relaxing. It was

just three of us. We were in Carlsbad, which I kind of understand to be grandparent,

retiree, San Diego. And we were living our best grandma lives. We went to bed by like 9 p.m. every night. We were up early every morning to go

for a walk and then we were playing mahjong by like 8.30 a.m. one day. We spent most of the day

at the pool just kind of laying out reading. I taught them how to play Monopoly deal, which everyone became

obsessed with. We went to such great dinners. Oh my gosh, it was such a lovely trip. So that was

like the relaxing portion. And now I'm home for 40 hours of doing work and personal maintenance appointments. I have a manny

petty. I have a hair appointment to dye my hair to dye all my grays. And then I'm going to

Sicily for a friend's 40th birthday trip. So I am on back-to-back vacations. And I'm so excited.

I was telling you that for this trip, we're staying on a nature reserve,

and there are supposedly maybe flamingos, which I have been obsessed with since I was a child.

And so if I see wild flamingos, I've told everyone I will cry.

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