How 2000s Culture Messed Us Up

Culture Study Podcast

Anne Helen Petersen

Fashion & Beauty, Society & Culture, Arts

4.6 • 637 Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Is it weird that I really love talking about all the ways the formative culture of my teens screwed me up? Maybe it’s just cathartic — talking with someone else who’s spent time in the postfeminist ideological trenches, trying to unpack all of the contradictory messaging about who we should be and how we should act. Sophie Gilbert has been deep in that muck for years writing her new book, Girl on Girl: How Pop Culture Turned a Generation of Women Against Themselves, and is here to help answer your excellent questions on how all of this took root in the ‘90s, the slutty cool baby girl ideal, the weird dude raunch movies, why we don’t know how pants are supposed to fit, the abomination of Bride Wars, and much, much more. Listen and let’s navigate all this accumulated sludge together.

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0:00.0	Hey, it's Anne. Once a month, we pick an episode to make free for everyone. You'll get the whole
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0:33.9	This is just a weird thing that happens with the way that we do this on Substack. The ad-free version will be labeled, and it will come up first. So you will see it first in
0:42.2	your feed on your podcast player. Okay, thanks, everyone. Enjoy the show.
0:51.8	This is the Culture Study podcast, and I'm Anne Helen Peterson.
0:55.8	I'm Sophie Gilbert. I'm a staff writer at the Atlantic, and I'm the author of Girl on
0:59.7	Girl, how pop culture turned a generation of women against themselves. In the introduction to
1:04.7	Girl on Girl, you talk about three cultural events that happened in 1999. When you were 16 and I was I was I think 17 so right around the same time
1:14.0	that seemed to define what it meant to be a woman especially where we were growing up can you
1:20.1	talk about those events and what you remember from them yeah there's um the first one is obviously br obviously Britney Spears on the cover of Rolling Stone.
1:29.9	I think she was 17 at the time in a photo shot by David Lus Chappelle.
1:33.8	Everyone will know it when they see it, but it's the photo where she's in a pink and black
1:37.1	polka dot bra.
1:38.8	She, one hand, she's holding a phone.
1:40.4	She's talking the phone.
1:41.1	The other hand, she's clutching a tally tubby doll um just very rich rich image
1:46.3	in so many ways yeah um a lot of people have since told me that the moment baby one more time came
1:52.1	out was the moment they saw their childhood as ending so i've sort of come to see this this picture is
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