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There's two ways the Giants can have to success this season.

Winning games or if and when you turn the reins over to Jackson Dart, if he shows real promise. Dolsich, touchdown Giants. How could you not have a little bit of optimism, though? If I was a giant fan, I'd be optimistic. Could that mean that they start out one and four? Absolutely it could. The problem is you start up one and four. You're probably staring one-seven face.

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The mining roller coaster with the dwarfs?

I hate those dwarfs.

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