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We want to circle back a little bit, and I want to know if I have found the root cause of some of,

I got to be, this is going to, a tongue twister, rivalry erosion.

So Michigan, Michigan State, we know obviously if state were good and Michigan is, would, it was better.

Like if this was 2021, there would certainly be more energy to this.

What level, I don't know, because we're in a weird time.

If we were at least, if MSU was like, it was like,

Michigan was favored by like five points.

Okay.

That's less than a touchdown.

I've heard that.

That's good math by you.

I just, I, college football, you know my thoughts on it.

But I described it in a way yesterday, and we didn't have a chance to really go down this path.

But Rico reacted to it where it was like, wait a minute.

But I have used the term for Michigan State and players at large is it's gutless right now.

It feels soulless. How about that?

And I've called college football players in the system they're in right now, whether they realize

it or not, they're escorts. There's no stake in the game for a lot of these guys, not all, but a lot.

They get paid. They don't have to perform.

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