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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 3 - The Opposite of Reality

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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News, News Commentary, Society & Culture, Daily News, Politics

4.5 • 11.4K Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2026

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show features an in‑depth, data‑driven conversation on crime, public safety, and urban policy, alongside continued analysis of Iran, culture‑war flashpoints, and the economic consequences of class‑warfare politics. Broadcasting from New York City, Buck Sexton is joined in studio by Rafael Mangual, head of research for the Manhattan Institute’s Policing and Public Safety Initiative, for an extended interview that anchors much of the hour. The discussion opens with encouraging national crime trends, as Mangual explains that serious violent crime—especially homicides and shootings—is declining across many U.S. cities, with especially sharp drops in places like Memphis and Washington, D.C., which have been targeted by Trump administration federal task forces. Those efforts, combining multi‑agency law‑enforcement deployments and National Guard support, have produced dramatic results, including a reported more‑than‑40 percent reduction in violent crime in Memphis.

Throughout Hour 3, Mangual and the hosts emphasize that crime reduction is not mysterious or unattainable but the product of consistent enforcement and public support for policing. Mangual contrasts the positive reception officers receive in high‑crime cities desperate for safety with hostility he says law enforcement faced in Minneapolis, illustrating how political culture and public messaging affect outcomes on the ground. The conversation then transitions into a frank, statistics‑based examination of homicide in America. Mangual outlines the typical profile of both homicide offenders and victims—young men, overwhelmingly Black or Hispanic, with extensive criminal histories and repeated prior arrests—arguing that the justice system already knows who the most dangerous individuals are but repeatedly releases them. He makes the case that serious habitual‑offender policies could cut the murder rate by another 50 percent, potentially saving roughly 10,000 lives per year, most of them in minority communities.

The hosts build on those findings by discussing the historical precedent: from 1990 to 2014, the U.S. already reduced homicides by half, a change that added a full year of life expectancy to the average Black male. Mangual argues that public fatigue with permissive criminal‑justice policies after the post‑2020 crime spike is driving a political shift, with progressive prosecutors losing elections and states rolling back earlier reforms. Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show also digs into transit crime, highlighting how enforcement measures like fare gates and barriers on San Francisco’s BART system produced both a major revenue increase and a 41 percent drop in crime—evidence, the hosts say, that “broken windows”–style policies still work. This data‑backed approach is contrasted with proposals in New York to make buses free, which Clay and Buck argue would worsen safety and quality of life.

Beyond crime, Hour 3 returns to the developing Iran conflict, reacting to a new statement from President Donald Trump asserting that Iran’s leadership, military, and economy are collapsing under an airtight blockade. Clay and Buck debate the domestic political risks of a prolonged focus on Iran, noting that while markets are resilient and energy prices have stabilized, sustained attention on foreign conflict could still affect voter perceptions ahead of the midterms.

The hour then pivots to New York City politics and economics, focusing on Zohran Mamdani’s “tax the rich” agenda and a class‑warfare video targeting hedge‑fund billionaire Ken Griffin over his Manhattan penthouse. Clay and Buck criticize Mamdani for publicly singling out wealthy residents and businesses, arguing such rhetoric will accelerate capital flight, job losses, and long‑term fiscal damage. They highlight Griffin’s tax contributions, philanthropic giving, and job creation, warning that vilifying high‑income taxpayers risks hollowing out the city’s economic base and making New York less safe and less prosperous.

Hour 3 also includes continued discussion of marijuana culture and moderation, pushback against normalizing daily cannabis use, and listener calls on airline industry turmoil, particularly the fallout from the blocked Spirit Airlines–JetBlue merger. A Spirit flight attendant calls in to describe the human impact of furloughs and uncertainty following federal judicial intervention, reinforcing the hosts’ broader argument about unintended consequences of government and judicial overreach.
The hour closes with reflections on family, the NFL Draft, and upcoming programming, but its central message remains clear: Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show argues that data‑driven policing, accountability in the justice system, and economic realism—not ideology or class warfare—are the keys to safer cities, stronger communities, and sustainable prosperity.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:02.6

Guaranteed Human.

0:04.3

Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now, everybody.

0:06.9

I'm here in New York City.

0:07.9

Joining me in studio for a conversation with our man Clay is Rafael Menguil,

0:13.7

head of research for the Manhattan Institute's Policing and Public Safety Initiative.

0:19.0

Raphael, great to have you.

0:20.1

You always do so much great stuff on crime, criminal justice. I feel like we should have had the, Clay, the law and order, you know, the dun dun that they play. Yes, yes. Like that should be great audio all-timer there. So good. That should be Raphael's intro music here, but he knows the crime scene. He knows what's going on.

0:38.6

Let's start. Actually, I'll start you on the happy side for a second before we get into some of these recent

0:43.5

incidents that show where the system is still massively failing. Just give us the top line hits of how much some of these Trump federal initiatives in places like Memphis, D.C., we've talked about,

0:55.0

and by the way, anywhere else, where are we seeing, in addition to D.C. and Memphis, if anywhere,

1:00.9

really serious decreases in violent crime?

1:05.1

We're seeing lots of decreases across the country in serious violent crime, particularly

1:08.4

homicides, shootings, those are going down in cities

1:12.1

across the country. Memphis and D.C. are standouts because they were targeted by the federal

1:16.1

government with these task forces. So you have a multi-agency task force that has been deployed

1:21.1

in all these cities along with the National Guard, aimed at really keeping public order in streets

1:25.9

and addressing warrant backlogs,

1:28.9

as in the case in Memphis, making arrests, just doing good old-fashioned policing in places that

1:33.4

need help. And when that happens, what you see is the crime goes through the floor, so Memphis

1:37.4

is seeing more than a 40% decline in crime since the Memphis Safe Task Force kicked off last

1:41.9

September. Really outstanding. I actually did two days of ride-alongs with them a few weeks ago, and it was just incredible to watch them operate. What were they saying to you about, I mean, these are the people truly on the front lines of public safety in Memphis. Clay and I have talked about the numbers. We have our friend Ben Ferguson. He got shot at in Memphis. Yeah. You know, on his front porch. Yeah. So it's a rough town.

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