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I got an email from Sean Duggan. He says Jalen Hertz is the example you should have gone with, Ray.

Many would argue that DAC is a better quarterback, but a lot of people view Hertz as better because he has the rain. Hertz is an example I use all the time, okay? Right. I was not prepared to do this argument today. I'm literally trying to get a Friday roast ready, and you pull me into this. That's the part that annoyed me today. Right. You know what it is, too? He wants to be annoying today.

I'm trying to work here, and you're trying to be that guy.

You're ticking me off earlier.

You're ticking me off. We're having a good time. Maybe I should go. Well, okay, no, but I just, we'll keep Ray out of this for a second. I think that's a good point that that person just made.

And if Ray had the time to put his argument together,

Jalen Hertz would probably be on that list.

He's an NFC, you know, he's also an NFC East quarterback.

I think. And I think DAC is better than Jaylen Hertz. Right. But the tie the Jaylen Hertz thing into this Knicks run is, is that we spent all this time. And Ray, I think Ray is our guy to do this because this is how protective he's of this team of people trying to take away from this run. Right? Atlanta wasn't that good. As much as you want to pump Atlanta up and how great they were playing, they weren't that good. Sixers, right? They played a seven-game series, Joel NB, whatever you want to point to, they weren't that good. Cavs, they're soft, they weren't that good. but but if you beat if you beat San Antonio or you beat

okay that good. Cavs, they're soft, they weren't that good. But, but if you beat, if you beat

San Antonio or you beat OKC, you can't, it wasn't that those teams weren't very good. It was,

you were just that great. Jalen Hurts. You raised the level of what you did. You, you,

what you did in the earlier rounds becomes more impressive if you, if you win the whole thing. Right. But remember when people have that Jalen Hertz conversation and on the in the side of it that wants to defend Jalen Hertz, it isn't necessarily that he only won the Super Bowl. It's also how well he played in the Super Bowl that they lost. He did play great in that game. You know what I mean? He played better in the Super Bowl they lost and the Super Bowl they won. Right. So it wasn't like this magic run where all of a sudden like he just played at this level and no one's ever seen it before. You saw he played better than Mahomes in the Super Bowl that they lost. He was great in that Super Bowl. So I mean that this for us as a Knicks fan to win this series would completely confirm what we all believe now, and people don't want to believe it, is that we've just taken our game to a level

that you hadn't seen during the regular season.

Like, we reached what we all thought our ceiling could be,

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