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All right, let's just address this

My job or ant take I'm not saying he's not great

But valuable is beyond highlights and vertical and

Yeah, you can't give him MVP. They're they're offensively

They're better this morning than they were 20 games ago with him aren't they?

Come on Colin, you know what this is the problem with you having me on the show this late into the show is that there's so much that I have to fix once I get here

And I've only got five ten minutes. I don't have enough time

But here's the distinction and I love the comparisons that you made with with Derek Rose and you could have added Kobe Bryant in there

There are certain guys and to answer your question. I have a vote is John Marant going to be at the top of my ballot

No, absolutely not is 18 and two without him going to convince a lot of voters that he doesn't even deserve to be on the ballot

Probably so but the idea that they don't need

John Marant because they're 18 and two without him is ignoring the fact that

There are different types of most valuable players sometimes there's the physical guy

There's the guy like the Chris Paul who is the distributor who does things that gets everybody the ball and gets them shots

Chris Paul benefits from that because he knows that he can't do those things

So he has to utilize the pieces around him and then there are guys like John Marant and Derek Rose

Who are as much and I'd even throw Steph Curry in this category

emotional and mental

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