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We're joined by our friend Carol Markowitz.

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Carol, you have a gift for being a person on the

right who still maintains friendship and connectivity with a lot of what we would call the normies

uh or you know the the the everyday folks who aren't particularly interested in politics

especially normie moms, suburban moms.

How's it looking for Trump right now?

I have to say that it's looking better than we hear in the media.

Normies are concerned about quality of life, above all.

And quality of life has really deteriorated in the last four years

under the Biden-Kamala presidency. And so I think what we're seeing in the media is this hysteria

against Trump, you know, women are not going to vote for him. But he got 46% of the women vote in 2020.

That's not nothing. That's pretty high. And it's better than Hillary did

with men in 2016. So I think we're looking at it sort of wrong. If Trump can focus on crime,

the border, general quality of life issues, kind of limiting the crazies of the left, I think

he could really do well with my

normie people. I certainly hope so because the more we hear about Kamala policies,

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