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Thanks for listening to the herd podcast. I've called him the Bill Parcells of college football.

I've always said it's much more difficult to rebuild quickly at multiple places than to build a great power. That's nothing against Nick Saban or any

coach that's then that, but Urban Meyer, Bowling Green, Utah, Florida, obviously, and Ohio State.

So what a pleasure to have us, sports, kind of the voice of college football with Joel Clatt and others.

So let's just, Nick Saban said this week, he goes, you Buckeye fans got to get therapy on Michigan.

And I looked at it, Ohio State's 44 and 4 against everybody else in 0 and 4 against Michigan.

Is it fair to say right now, and it's been reversed, Michigan's and the Buckeyes head a little

bit?

It's very fair.

Obviously, it's happened in the last four years after a dominant run, and it's got to get,

you know, it's got to get changed.

And I hear people say that there's too much emphasis on the game and that's you know I grew

up in right outside Cleveland Ohio

it is the game I grew up in the 10 year war

with Bo and Woody so

that's the way it is

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