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Well, Merrill Hodge, quite a career as an analyst and now an author,

he's got a book, Find A Way,

three words that change my life he played in the

NFL for 10 years we used to be teammates at the ESPN

Merrill always had the ability to cut through and you were willing to be criticized up to the draft and I always

loved that about you and I agreed on a lot I think Tiboe manzell there was a

lot we disagree on Caleb Williams, but I'm going to get to him in a second.

So first of all, thanks for coming on the show. Mary, it's great to see you again, and I follow your career and you're wonderful.

So let's start with a player that we both like

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