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It's Mackie and Judd with Rami.

Five o'clock hour of Mackey and Judd with Rami.

I'm Rami. There's Judd Zulgat, Jonathan Harrison on the other side of the glass.

Minus Phil Mackey this afternoon.

We'll wrap with Royce this hour. Patrick Royssey joins us at 540 and that nonsense that went on in Pittsburgh coming up at 520.

Judd and I, our thoughts on that. But we were talking about the twins a little earlier, Judd, and watching that series over the weekend, and watching Justin Morenoe sort of mature and blossom as a broadcaster

here, and this is his first year as the color analyst on Fox Sports North, am I right?

Yeah, he did, he worked a package of games last year, and so, and it's going to be split

between a bunch of guys this year year but he's the first guy.

So he's going to work a package of games again, but this is his second year of doing games at all.

I like what I've heard from him, but you can tell he's still raw and there's still polishing that needs to be done there.

And I don't get the sense that he's 100% feeling himself or or comfortable

in that chair just yet. But it seems to me like there's something there with Justin Moreno.

Would you agree? Definitely. And here's my, so here's my starting point. My starting point is not

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