Hour 2 - We Never Wavered
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
iHeartPodcasts
4.5 • 11.4K Ratings
🗓️ 13 October 2025
⏱️ 37 minutes
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Summary
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continues its deep dive into the historic Middle East peace agreement brokered by President Donald Trump. Buck Sexton is joined by columnist and podcast host Karol Markowicz for a compelling conversation on the geopolitical, cultural, and moral dimensions of the peace deal and the return of hostages from Gaza.
The hour opens with reflections on Trump’s bold assertion that the peace agreement will endure, marking a pivotal moment for Israel and the broader region. Buck and Karol discuss the emotional impact of the return of 20 hostages, the horrors they endured, and the global silence surrounding their captivity. Karol highlights the failure of European nations to support the peace process and praises the Trump administration for its decisive leadership.
A central theme is the weakening of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. The hosts explore internal power struggles within Gaza and the role of regional players like Egypt, Qatar, and Turkey in enforcing the peace. They credit Trump’s strategic pressure and military actions—particularly the 12-day war with Iran—for reshaping alliances and forcing Hamas to accept terms they initially rejected.
Karol emphasizes the need for a cultural shift in Gaza, advocating for a future built on peace, prosperity, and coexistence. She praises Trump’s deal-making approach and the economic incentives that could transform Gaza into a stable, thriving region. The episode includes a live segment from Trump’s speech in Egypt, where he declares that World War III will not begin in the Middle East and calls for a future free of ancient feuds and hatred.
As a Jewish American conservative, Karol shares her personal reflections on the past two years of rising antisemitism and hostility toward Israel. She expresses gratitude for the support from the political right and describes the emotional significance of Hostage Square being renamed Freed Square in Israel.
The hour also critiques the United Nations, questioning its relevance in light of Trump’s success in achieving peace without its involvement. A caller from Pennsylvania echoes this sentiment, suggesting the UN has become obsolete and praising Trump’s direct diplomacy.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:04.6 | Second hour of Clay and Buck gets going right now, and our friend Carol Markowitz is in the mix. |
| 0:11.0 | Oh, Clay had to step away, so it's just going to be me guys on the host side for the rest of the show. |
| 0:16.3 | Clay is in Mississippi, and he is doing an interview of a sports legend. |
| 0:23.1 | I had not heard of the fellow before, but apparently very important in the SEC sports world. |
| 0:27.9 | So that's going on. |
| 0:29.2 | And I am here with Carol Markowitz. |
| 0:31.4 | In the meantime, and Carol, you know what? |
| 0:35.0 | First of all, congrats two years this week of the Carol Markowitz program on the Clay and Buck Podcast Network. |
| 0:41.6 | So there's a lot of celebration going on all over the place today. |
| 0:45.1 | A lot of celebration. Some people are saying a day of celebration. |
| 0:49.1 | You know, we're going to look into it. Day of celebration everywhere. |
| 0:52.6 | But let's actually, speaking of Trump, kind of, let's uh let's actually speaking of trump kind of |
| 0:55.7 | let's just a few moments ago he said this this is cut 30 guys on his gaza peace plan the |
| 1:02.5 | signing of it play this one this took 3,000 years to get to this point can you believe it and it's going to hold up to |
| 1:12.4 | it's going to hold up clay I mean a Carol sorry it's gone Carol bold talk from Mr. Trump but |
| 1:22.5 | yeah I think a lot of people are saying he's got the hot hand don't doubt him I agree I |
| 1:27.4 | anybody who's doubting him right now is |
| 1:29.1 | making a big mistake i think that he is in a really good position to enforce this piece i of course |
| 1:35.3 | worry about what's going to happen in three years when he is out of office you know i'm making the |
| 1:40.3 | trump 2028 joke because of this um but it's going to be really tough for anybody to follow in |
| 1:45.7 | his footsteps and to enforce the peace that he's established in the Middle East. I think that |
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