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All right, second hour. Clay Ann Buck kicks off now, and appreciate you being with us.

I want to bring you a little bit of the conversation

on the CNN side of the equation. I did watch over at MSNBC this morning. And Clay, let's be

honest, they kind of need me. You know what I mean? Now all of a sudden being an MSNBC

watcher is like being a Florida voter circa 2000 like oh man they need every single

one they can get because every vote counts every viewer counts over there they're having a rough

one uh but I I've also been seeing a lot of the way they're trying to process this on CNN um and

and the way that they're trying to line up the arguments against.

Now they're really honed in.

They made almost no noise at all about Christy Noam at DHS, which I think is interesting.

They're not, she's not on the Democrats hate list right now for nominees at all.

They don't even talk about it um tom homin well tom super

duper qualified to do exactly what he does so you know they they can't go if they can't go after

qualifications at all what are they really going to say we don't like him because he's going to

actually enforce the law well that's like an advertisement for him they're going after after Heg Seth and they're going after Cash Patel a lot. I don't think that they're breaking

through with any new arguments or changing any people's minds about this. We shall see,

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