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Second hour, Clay Ann Buck, kicks off now.

Thank you so much for being here with us.

I wanted to talk a little bit about the Supreme Court decision that's going to be

coming down soon and I think it's expected to go the way of the conservatives on the floor.

Five fours. It might be six three.

But it's important because it goes to

whether or not you can camp out on the street.

Whether you can camp on the street, whether you can set up tents in public parks.

It's about the city of Grants Pass, Oregon. I did a little reading about this. I know we've got

a big station, K-E-X out in Portland and we've got people listening in the state of Oregon. Grants pass is like 30,000 people.

I guess that qualifies a small city, large town,

somewhere in between.

And they have an ordinance that you are not allowed to sleep on public property.

And the reason they have this is because what ends up occurring is people set up tents and other shacks whatever shanties whatever

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