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Nikki Kelly from Indiana Capitol Chronicle. Nikki, we have to start off with this article.

Trump's Indiana redistricting revenge

aims to topple state senate's leader. So this seems to be a direct attack to Rod Bray.

Am I correct? Yeah, we've been trying to get at it for a bit and finally got some people on the

record, you know, to say that, well, Bray can't

be ousted from his seat this year because he's not up until 2028.

The basic goal is to, you know, flip enough seats, get some of these incumbents out who are

supporters of Bray, so that they can

remove him from leadership after the election if they get enough votes.

So that's the goal and where they're going.

Okay, so this isn't, they know that he can't be removed from his seat as a senator.

They just want to remove him as the Senate pro tem. Correct. They say that that will

change the, you know, the direction of the Senate and the leadership of the Senate. So that's their

goal. There have been some litmus tests suggested to get endorsements. You know, you have to

basically promise to not support Bray.

But also I want to point out that one of the most interesting parts in this story is we found out yesterday

morning that Senator Bray created his own dark money nonprofit to, you know, counter similar groups who are pushing for the challengers.

Hey, Nikki, do you have a sense of how strong Rod Bray's leadership position was in advance of

this article?

Like, has he had previous challengers to his leadership in the Senate before?

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