Welcome, everybody. Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off now. Play is traveling. Buck,

that would be me solo today. And Clay's back tomorrow. So we're going to rock and roll here for

three hours, my friends, a lot to discuss with you, particularly on the criminal justice front.

Let me tell you that. If there is a a theme I can throw out for all of you today,

it would be if this was a, we had law, jurisprudence, and social thought was our pre-law department at Embers.

We could have started out the day or the class today with what is justice exactly,

question mark.

Because you have a couple of things all coming together, the Daniel Penny trial, which I

want to get into some detail with you on, an update on Jussie Smollett.

That's right, friends.

And it is not a good one for those who believe in justice and sanity.

And then also the continued freak out over Matt Gates as the would-be attorney general of the Trump administration.

To this day, I will throw out, to this day, despite all the things, never charged

with any crime of any kind, Congressman Gates.

Isn't that interesting?

Maybe they should start the discussions, at least with that.

If they were thinking about this in legal terms you would

assume right we always have to say alleged but he's not even really alleged is he because

no one's ever even brought charges it's just in the ether it's just rumor it's just stuff

that people have said to other people but that no authority has ever actually decided,

warranted charges, never mind a conviction. I think that that's important to put out there,

because the way that all these discussions in the Democrat media are going, you would think that

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