Hostage's brother-in-law: we haven't matured enough as a region to coexist peacefully

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🗓️ 12 October 2025

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NPR's Andrew Limbong speaks with Moshe Lavi, the brother-in-law of Omri Miran, who has been held hostage by Hamas since October 7, 2023. Lavi explains the challenges ahead for Israelis and Palestinians in healing from the events of the past two years - and whether he thinks the peace brokered by President Trump is sustainable.

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0:00.0	Phase one of a 20-point peace plan between Israel and Hamas, brokered by President Trump, is underway.
0:07.6	I dreamed of this night. It's been a long journey.
0:13.2	That was Middle East envoy Steve Whitkoff. He, Jared Kushner, and Ivanka Trump addressed crowds in Tel Aviv Saturday night,
0:20.5	ahead of the exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners and detainees.
0:26.0	Throughout the remarks, the crowd was thanking them and cheered one name specifically.
0:31.1	Thank you Trump!
0:32.7	Thank you Trump!
0:34.2	Thank you Trump!
0:35.5	And booed another.
0:36.9	To Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
0:42.6	But even as President Trump travels to the Middle East to celebrate the deal,
0:48.9	there's still a lot of uncertainty for Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
0:53.8	Here's MPR's Anas Baba in Gaza.
0:55.5	I walk through Gaza City now, and what was yesterday filled with earth strikes and tanks
1:01.6	and everything from the Israelis is now slowly welcoming its own people back. It feels like
1:07.9	I'm witnessing a place being born again. Israeli troops have pulled back within Gaza, and Palestinians there were told they are free to return to their homes.
1:17.1	But in reality, many are returning to rubble.
1:20.7	Even still, Gazans remain hopeful.
1:23.7	Here's Baba again.
1:24.6	Men returned first, searching for what's left.
1:26.9	Some mark the dirt now for tents.
1:29.5	Others, they clear the rubble for barely standing homes here, just to spend the night inside.
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