Behind the surgery podcast, relevant and engaging content designed to help you dominate the day. Hello behind the knife listeners my name is Cody Mullins I'm a general surgery resident at the

University of Michigan and one of the BTK surgery education fellows I'm here today with

my research mentor Dr Andrew Ibrahim and I'm excited to dive into a topic with him in a conversation about health design and the interplay that it has with surgery in the environment that we work in his surgeons day and and day out.

We're going to talk today about how new hospitals, operating rooms, and trauma bays are designed

in the evidence behind them.

Dr. Andrew Ibrahim is an associate professor of surgery, architecture, and urban planning at the University of

Michigan, where he also works clinically as a general surgeon at the Ann Arbor VA hospital.

He's the Maude T-Lean research Professor, the Vice Chair of Health Services Research in the department.

The co-director of the Center for Health Care Outcomes and Policy at U of M is an editor at the Jama Network,

a member of the Board of Directors at Academy Health,

and is the program director of the Health and Design Research Fellowship in the Department of Surgery at U.M.

Thanks for joining us today, Dr. Ibrahim.

Awesome, thanks to me here.

So first for context, can you talk a little bit

for the audience about how you found yourself

in this interesting space between surgery, clinically, health services research, and health design?

Yeah, great question.

So I grew up, I think probably wanting to be an architect or an urban planner.

And they have any role models around the year in our community.

But I was like Fosmeldrick brother who was a doctor.

And when I talked to my parents,

I told him I wanted to be an architect,

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