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The Dispatch Podcast

Horseshoe Theory in Minnesota | Roundtable

The Dispatch Podcast

The Dispatch

News, Politics

4.6 • 3.3K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Steve Hayes is joined by Jonah Goldberg, Mike Warren, and Sarah Isgur to discuss the Minnesota welfare fraud scandal, the $160 million AI chip smuggling operation, and pull-up bars in the airport. The Agenda:—Immigrant welfare fraud—1990s throwback—Woke intimidation—China and AI chip smuggling—Clientelism in Trump's administration—Airport gyms Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:51.6

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0:56.6

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1:17.0

Welcome to the Dispatch podcast. I'm Steve Hayes.

1:21.5

On this week's roundtable, we'll discuss the Minnesota welfare fraud scandal.

1:23.8

Then China, chips, and AI.

1:29.8

And finally, for not worth your time, would you work out in a mini gym at an airport?

1:35.9

I'm joined today by my dispatch colleague Jonah Goldberg, Sarah Isger, and Michael Warren.

1:37.6

Let's dive right in.

1:40.0

Morning, everybody.

1:46.9

I want to start today with a story that has been years in the making. It's a story about the failures of the welfare state, about the challenges of assimilation, about culture and stereotypes

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