Hi, Benchies. We hope you're doing well. This week I had the absolute pleasure of having

internet princess, real-life activist, and music journalist Rain Fisher-Quan on the pod. We had a beautiful,

nuanced conversation about online activism, council culture, the dirtbag left, and more. So if you'd like to hear

the full episode, please visit patreon.com slash binge-topia.

Once again, that is patreon.com slash binge-topia.

She talks about cancel culture or, you know, any kind of like a retributive framework of

justice is actually not something that serves the victims of abuse and of harm, which is

interesting. And something that kind of connects

with that is how she describes this like cancel culture as a form of like hopelessness and as a

form of kind of giving up on the the redemptive nature and the fluid nature of human beings.

And she talks about too as like as social animals, like the number one form of violence we can do to each other is to cast somebody out of a community or out of resources or out of any type of social group.

And something she says on page 37 is we want to grow, but at the same time, some of us don't believe we all, we will all get there or get anywhere better in time

that we can't and won't put forth the effort. And that really resonated with me because

cancel culture really does feel like such a grim, grim process by which we're like, this person

will never get better and they do not have a shot at redemption. And for that reason, we need to

remove them from society.

And, you know, as again, you were talking about it is very different with people who have a habitual pattern of harm or abuse specifically towards marginalized people whose safety and joy and freedom needs to be prioritized first and foremost in any type of leftist space.

But, you know, as Brown says, it gets abuse and harm get collapsed with misunderstandings and with other things like that.

Yeah, there's another line that I really liked from page 58 that says, Nizier call out say,

those who cause harm or mess up or disagree with us cannot change and cannot belong. They must be

eradicated. The bad things in the world cannot change and cannot belong they must be eradicated

the bad things in the world cannot change we must disappear the bad until there is one good left

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