Hope IS the Strategy - Interview with Jen Fisher

Win Make Give with Ben Kinney

Ben Kinney Training

Self-improvement, Education

4.9 • 1.5K Ratings

🗓️ 12 January 2026

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Chad Hyams and Bob Stewart welcome Jen Fisher, CEO and founder of the Wellbeing Team, to discuss her book, "Hope is the Strategy." Fisher challenges the conventional belief that hope isn't a strategy by introducing hope theory, emphasizing the importance of action and pathways towards goals. She discusses her role as a Chief Wellbeing Officer, highlighting the significance of workplace well-being and intelligence for fostering engagement and innovation. The trio also explores the impact of thoughtful leadership and the value of creating workforce environments driven by hope and relational dynamics.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Win Make Give podcast.
0:10.0	Chad Heim's here.
0:11.2	Bob Stewart all the way over there.
0:13.0	Bob, happy New Year.
0:15.6	Oh, oh.
0:16.8	You're trying to make me feel bad.
0:18.4	You went on this whole rant before we came on about how it's been a whole week. I haven't wished you a happy new year. Chad, happy new year, man. Thank you, Bob. It's not only that you hadn't wished me a happy new year in a whole week via text, email, even social media. You wished our guest a happy new year and didn't even think twice about me.
0:38.6	I just wanted to make sure you knew where you rank on the... Clearly. I know where I rank and it gets
0:43.4	lower and lower every day. Audience, happy new year. This is the first recording of 2026 for us.
0:53.1	It'll probably drop somewhere in the early weeks of January as
0:57.2	Dave is waiting on us. Yet, folks, we want to wish you a very happy, very healthy, very safe
1:03.5	New Year. Yet, Bob, according to our guest today, Happy New Year might be the wrong
1:10.1	expression. We're going to go with Hopi New Year might be the wrong expression.
1:15.9	We're going to go with Hopi New Year and we'll explain why that is here in a few minutes,
1:21.7	I think. Well, then let's just get right to it and bring to the call your favorite, my favorite facilitator in the arguments of Bob and Chad Stewart that are going on right now.
1:26.4	I guess that would be Bob
1:27.6	Stuart, Chad Heim's as we mix my names. That's my middle name is your last name. It messes me up all the time with that moment. I didn't know that. Are you serious? Yes, you did. You did know that. I've forgotten that. I've known that so long. I've forgotten that. Jen, again, you see what I have to put up with here. Jen, welcome to the Win Make-Giv podcast. Thanks for having me. I feel like you guys could just keep going and I can, you know, I can sit here and smile and not have to do anything. Jen, you sound like many of our audience members who just sit there and smile and they listen to the podcast, not for the facts, not for the value we bring, just because Bob and Chad are going to give each other a hard time as all. But there's a ton of value in smiling. So I disagree with you there. I love that. We're done. There's a ton of value. Jen's dropped great value. We're out of here for the, no. Jen, here on the Win Make Give podcast, we do not read bios, and I have a beautiful one written by
2:18.9	ChatGPT for you.
2:20.4	We don't read it.
2:21.8	Why don't you introduce yourself to our audience, however you see fit?
2:26.8	Oh, that's a difficult one.
2:28.7	I much prefer when other people introduce me.
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