I will tell you, you lose a husband, Barry has been, you immediately become like an old lady.

I mean, you know, in my mind, I was 50, I mean, because I had done things that people don't do till they're 70.

And so when you go to the funeral home and you pick out a casket, you just age.

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So probably one of the darkest moments in a person's life, obviously, is when you lose a child or spouse.

Absolutely.

And I've been in many hospital rooms as a pastor in that moment.

You know, one of my good friends, Steve Roner, who we coached our boys in basketball, had this massive heart attack.

And I literally had my hand on his chest as he breathes last.

And then walking with Karen through that was just...

And her two kids who one of her son is best friends with our son.

Still to this day.

Yeah.

Which is a beautiful thing.

So anyway, with that as an intro, we've got Rachel Faulkner Brown in the studio.

And we're going to talk about some heavy stuff.

So welcome to FamilyLife Today.

We're happy to have you.

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