I don't know what most white people in this country feel.

I can only include what they feel from the state of their institution.

Now, this is the evidence.

You want me to make an act of faith, risking myself, my wife, my woman, my sister, my children,

on some idealism which you assure me

exists in America, which I have never seen.

I am so excited for the interview we have today. We have one of my very favorite guests,

as a special guest, Katina Stone Butler, we are interviewing you today. So a little bit of a

role reversal. And then also your son, Jamie, is here, aka MISTIC. So thank you guys so much for

joining us. Before we jump in, we want to start the interview off the way we always do by asking

aside from what you do and what you're known for. And here, this audience

knows you, Katina, as a co-host of this podcast. So aside from that work, who is Katina Stone Butler?

Tell us a little bit about yourself. Hey, guys. First of all, it's good to see y'all and be back on here.

It's been a minute and I've missed us.

But yeah, who am I? I'm a daughter, a wife, a mom, a Memphis, Tennessee, Orange Mound. I'm a U.N.T. alum, a University of Memphis slash Memphis State alum. I'm a community organizer, an advocate, an artist.

I'm a lot of things probably because I have to be a lot of things. But I think most of all,

I'm just a person who is in pursuit of still in quiet spaces because I am so high functioning and have to do so

many things and a lot of the things that I'm passionate about are driven by wanting to make

things right in my in my small world for other people and so I'm just a pursuer of quiet stillness as much as I possibly can be. And I'm an

entrepreneur and I'm just a lot of things by necessity. So yep, that's who I am. I'm going to ask

my son who is being interviewed with us for the first time. His name is Jamie.

Well, his name is Jamel, which is Arabic.

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