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This is day two of all I can say is a fun broadcast.

I've got a good friend who,

my gosh, we belly laugh more than about anything. And yet, I'd say it's because we've both gone through hard times and we really do believe the joy of the Lord is our strength.

I'm talking about Ron Strand, founder of the upper room.

He's both a Christian businessman.

He owns Calico Building Services, which is a national company that does a bunch, but with great integrity.

And that website is calico web.com.

That's C-A-L-C-O-E-B.com but he's also founder of the upper room

a Christian-based ministry in southern California that holds events with noted musicians,

comedians and speakers and actually that's how we. I actually went there to speak many years ago.

And I loved what Ron was doing. We became fast friends. And I'm just grateful that,

Ron, you're joining us for day two. And I appreciate you being here, brother.

I'm loving it, buddy. It's an honor to be here.

I think one of the challenges of people who are funnelsers, what I call, donors that are funnels of money,

they have excessive income that they know that this is, we're supposed to funnel this to ministries.

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