Homelessness and the Housing Crisis: How to End Rough Sleeping (Sabrina Cohen-Hatton)
Radical with Amol Rajan
BBC
4.5 • 919 Ratings
🗓️ 21 August 2025
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
Homelessness is on the rise in Britian with record numbers of people living in emergency accommodation.
Sabrina Cohen-Hatton, Chief Fire Officer of the West Sussex Fire and Rescue Service, spent time sleeping rough on the streets of Newport in Wales as a teenager.
Now, she is working to end homelessness and stop people getting stuck in poverty.
Amol and Sabrina discuss what can be done in schools to prevent homelessness, the stigma facing homeless people and how to stop professions from being dominated by the elites.
They also talk about Sabrina’s work with Prince William's charity, Homewards, and how poverty becomes a trap.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. |
| 0:05.0 | Hello, it's a mole here and welcome. |
| 0:06.5 | Maybe welcome back to Radical, which I think you may know by now, |
| 0:09.7 | are conversations about the deep global trends of the changing our world, |
| 0:13.8 | and a sort of safe space to encounter and challenge the really radical ideas |
| 0:18.1 | that we need, that you need to win the future. And we try and do it. |
| 0:22.2 | We have some of the most interesting, some of the most influential pioneers and thinkers and |
| 0:26.1 | people, basically, that are around today. And my goodness, we've got someone today who has got |
| 0:30.9 | some radical ideas. She's extraordinary. But before I tell you about her, let me tell you about |
| 0:34.6 | the issue that she addresses. It's homelessness. And homelessness in Britain is rising very, very rapidly. It declined for many, many years |
| 0:42.6 | around the turn of the millennium. And now, the number of English households living in temporary |
| 0:47.4 | accommodation has more than doubled between 2010 and 2023. That is the highest figure since |
| 0:53.7 | records began. And one of the things that is so dist That is the highest figure since records began. |
| 0:55.0 | And one of the things that is so distressing is the sharp rise in homelessness amongst young people. |
| 1:01.0 | This is often connected to the housing crisis, of course. |
| 1:05.0 | Someone who's thought long and hard about this, but someone who's also actually lived it, she's been there, is Sabrina Cohen-Hatton. |
| 1:12.7 | I'll leave her to explain exactly what happened, but the bit that you need to know for now is that |
| 1:16.6 | she slept rough, she was homeless from around the age of 15, and she spent a long time living |
| 1:22.4 | and sleeping on the streets. She is now, however, written through an extraordinary case of meritocracy, |
| 1:28.8 | you might say, or social mobility. She's now become one of Britain's most senior firefighters. |
| 1:33.6 | She advises Prince William on homelessness. And as you're going to hear, she's got some really |
| 1:37.7 | positive, constructive solutions or ideas for how to fix the very problems that she spent |
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