And turning our attention back to Capitol Hill, our Lisa Desjardin joins us now. So Lisa, let's start with this expected DHS shutdown. What's the latest?

We are heading toward a shutdown. It is all but certain now. While the deadline is tomorrow night, tomorrow night at midnight, East Coast time, Congress has left town. Senators are gone and for a 10-day recess now, and some of them even going overseas.

Now, the central issue here remains the same. It is about ICE reform and funding DHS. Where we are is that Republicans and Democrats just don't think they're even close enough to compromise on that to stick around.

So they're giving up on that deadline, at least for now. Now, Democrats say

Republicans in the White House specifically have not put enough on the table for them to even

engage in serious talks right now. However, Republicans see this differently. I caught up with

majority leader of the Senate, John Boone.

I've seen significant movement on the part of the administration on some of the key issues.

Which are?

Well, I'm not going to litigate that publicly.

I think that right now, both the White House and Senate Democrats have done a pretty good job

of keeping those conversations in a forum where they can have an honest back and forth.

Clearly right now we're not at a

place where there's a deal, but I think a deal is in sight. Of course, I asked Thune, so why are you

leaving? This is a shutdown. This will really affect thousands of people. He said he just doesn't

think they're close enough. There's not a deal in sight right now. But there are other senators

who are not going on, Kodels, those trips overseas, like Mike Rounds. He says he's going to stick around. But right now, there's really no reason to think they're going to reach a deal in the next couple of days. So how firm are Democrats in their demands, which is another way of asking, how long will this shutdown last? This is the question that tens of thousands of people, especially those working for DHS, want to know. I will give you the honest, blunt answer. No one knows how long this could go, which means it could go long. We don't know. Sometimes a rainbow appears in the Senate. I will give you two points of view. One for optimists. I know many of our viewers are optimists. They could look at this and say, there are real talks going on here. The White House and Senate Democrats are engaging on some level, which is unique in the past year, let's say. So there's reason to hope. Also, they're not negotiating through the press. We don't really know what the terms are here. You know as well as I do. The less is said, the more chances

there are for a deal. Now for the pessimists out there, we have some of those viewers, too.

I'm told the problem here is that there really is a rift over immigration policy that is going

to be hard to square. This is a midterm election year. The politics here are very sharp. Both sides have

bases defending the outward position here. It's going to be hard for them to move forward. But one

example I talked to Gary Peters, Senator from Michigan, who you know is often a pragmatist.

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