When I first started out my career with ICE, like my office I was assigned to was attached to a detention center.

And so that's kind of like a parallel court system almost. It's all immigration related, but people are detained.

You have a classification system. We have like 3,000 detainees or inmates, but detainees just going through their immigration process.

And as those guys are, you know, going going through that process, you can get down to pretty much like, this is, I know how to ask the things I need to ask and understand the things I need to understand to get this person where they need to go. And I tell a guy, like, line up, put your hands up to X, Y, and Z. But they're picking up English along the way too. So it's so funny how you get into those like conversations with people where neither

of you speak each other's language, but you're like really able to kind of point and grunt

your way through it.

And you pick up so much more in that natural environment, I think, from people like that.

But that's jailhouse Spanish.

I mean, it's like, it's like they'll learn like the dirty words first, right?

And so it's like, you know, you're like, like, what are these guys teaching me? Like, what are like, and of course the English that they're picking up, it's the dirty words first. So I mean, that's, this just happens. Yeah, they teach you what not to say. Normally if a Spanish guy in prison is saying, hey, go say this to someone.

Don't do it.

Do not do that.

They take advantage of the white guys. what not to say. Normally if a Spanish guy in prison is saying, hey, go say this to someone. Don't do it.

Do not do that. They take advantage of the white guys that don't speak any other language. I didn't spend a lot of time in like, I know you were in like a BOP. I don't know which one you were I was all over. You were all over. Yeah, I was in Brooklyn. I was in a lot of detention centers too, and I was in a private facility in Rhode Island that also housed ice.

Who ran that?

Was it a...

Yeah, it was just a private subcontractor. It was called the Wyatt Detention Center. Okay. And they were structured completely different. Like with the chain of command, like they had a major, they had a captain, they had a lieutenant and a sergeant. Whereas the BOP just goes, I think sergeant, lieutenant captain, they don't even have a major or anything like that.

You've got like assistant wardens and wardens all that stuff.

The place that I was, that my office was at, it was a private facility.

It was run by MTC, which is management and training corporation.

They had like a $4 million a month contract with Willisie County, Texas. And, you know, we would classify people that would come in. Like my job, you know, like I signed up expecting, because this is like right after 9-11, you know, and it's like, come fight terrorism. And that was like the whole appeal to me to go into law enforcement. I was going to be an archaeologist. I had my degree and all that stuff.

I was working in the field. Had gotten into grad school and the 9-11 happens. And I was like, all right, maybe I want to go do that because these guys who attacked us were all overstayed. They like overstayed visas, right? So they were all people who were in the country who hadn't been rounded up.

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