I used to think the goal was comfort, the goal was peace, to keep the negative stuff out of the room,

to keep the pain out of the room, all that stuff. No, no. That's like keeping life out of the room.

So, no, no, I think it's much better. Yes, let's turn down the noise with morphine to some degree

so that we can maybe be a little more present. Sure, I'm all for symptom management to a point.

But that's step one. That's not the

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What a welcome, BJ Miller, MD, hospice, and palliative care specialist who has, I think you've, you know, you're definitely

one of the clearer voices advancing the conversation around rethinking our relationship

to death and your beginner's guide to the end, your TED talk that has had lots of views

and clearly has struck a chord.

You know, welcome to Homegoing Humans.

Really excited to explore this with you. And ideally, I mean, you know, just personally and sort of and selfishly, I'm super psyched to get to explore a topic that most folks are squeamish about, right? But we can actually

explore the physical experience along with the metaphysical experiences, along with the

physiological. So, you know, we can kind of start really just sort of taking, you know,

death writ large across all categories of, you know, from the mythopoetic to the two hospice and to see what's what.

The first obvious question I had for you, which was after reading in, you know, in your bio that you had born witness to and facilitate the transition in over

a thousand deaths what what is your perspective what is your experience on on

fundamentally you know one of the the great mysteries of the human experience.

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