This is the Tom Hartman program.

Welcome back, Tom Hartman here with you.

I wanted to do a deep dive, sort of a conversation with great minds here with Sarah Kamali, Dr.

Sarah Kamali, PhD, holistic justice activist and a scholar of systemic inequities and

white nationalism at the University of Michigan.

And the author of the new book, Homegrown Hate, the subtitle is Why White Nationalists

and Militant Islamists are waging war against the United States.

Her website is Sarah Kamali, S-A-R-A-K-A-M-A-L-I dot com.

Sarah Kamali is also her Twitter handle, spelled it the same way.

Sarah, welcome to the program.

Tommy, first of all, your subtitle conflates White Nationalists and Militant Islamists

as both waging war against the United States.

What is the common denominator there?

Okay, yeah.

Thank you.

First of all, I do want to say it's wonderful to be here.

Thank you for having me.

And regarding the respective worldviews and the mutual sense of victimhood, that both

White Nationalists and militants want to share.

So I wouldn't say conflate, I would say compare.

What if the common denominator is the sense of victimhood based on their own interpretations

of what's going on in the world today?

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