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One of the most successful blackjack teams in America is made up surprisingly of Christians.

Here to tell the story are two of the winningest players, Colin Jones, founder of blackjack

apprenticeship.com, and the player dubbed the most notorious card counter in America, David Jury.

Here's David.

When I was maybe eight or ten years old, my father was a pastor of a church and they were doing a

big bonfire behind the church. And it was one of these events where you're supposed to bring

your rock records or your, you know, anything that is causing you to stumble and you throw it in the fire and give a little

speech. And so I was an eight or ten year old kid and I said to my parents, what are we bringing to this fire? Because I want to throw something in it, you know? And they're like, well, we're the, we're the pastor. We don't have anything to throw in the fire. I'm like, oh, come on. So we went all over the house and one of the things we found in the back of a pencil drawer was a single playing

card and they said well okay the things we found in the back of a pencil drawer

was a single playing card and they said well okay you can throw this in the fire this represents

gambling and at the fire you know it was my time and my dad spoke and said you know talked

about gambling and I'm throwing this card in the fire.

I'm Colin and I've been a card counter for almost 20 years, and I'm here with my good

friend David.

I'm David, and I've been a card counter for about, I guess, about 15 years.

And for me, card counting started when I had just graduated from college with a math degree and not really any ambition.

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